Please read the whole book of Leviticus and see how much of it you are following before quoting it to others. Herb Reed. Oh yes, Mr. Some are inconsistent with others, some are outdated since the the new covenant of Jesus Christ. You are obviously wise and caring people and parents. You have likely seen and experienced many changes over the course of your lifetimes thus far. Some people resist and fight change, some embrace our growing understanding of the world and the people within, and use it to enhance their lives, and the lives of others.
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You clearly fall into the second category. You are a courageous man, Mr. Wenger, however age does not always mean wisdom. You have made an unwise choice and have thrown those you love in turmoil. Pastor Wenger, thank you so, so much—though I and my family were raised Catholic, I grew up surrounded by a loving Mennonite community and am forever grateful for that. I have many close friends who are LGBT, and know the deep and spiritual struggles they face.
Many blessings to you and your family. There are reference to God condemning fleshly lust and sexual unions other than between a man and a woman who have joined in marrage. With out a revival organizations that seek to be part in The Church are but a sounding brass and clanging simble. Scripture should always be taken in context. There is a good case to be made that Paul was speaking of pederasty so prevalent in his day just like is common in places like Afghanistan today. Perhaps you should find out what pederasty really is before you go on.
Take care. I agree that you need to read the red letters of the New Testament a few more times before you throw out your judgment on the topic. God will not be mocked by this wicked tolerance of sin. We may not be led by our emotions. Churches are changing all right, but God is not. Count the time that the New Testament mentions love and compassion, Then count the 3 times it mentions homosexuality. I try to treat and love others like I would like to be treated and loved. Just my thoughts. Have a blessed evening.
Congratulations, Phil and Steve! Congratulations, Chester and Sara Jane!
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Obviously you get that trait from your parents. So Pastor Wenger is now the authority on this issue? I think not! It is true, he has made an unwise choice as someone previously stated. So sad that a person who so many people have been and still are influenced by can be dragged along and warped by popular culture into the belief that the homosexual sin is to be tolerated. I was raised in the Mennonite Church and taught our sons values of the church.
But my gay son has declared that he is atheist and with attitudes like yours, there is no welcoming in the church for my son. Martha Maust, my heart grieves for you and your son. Know that you both are loved and beautiful to God, and that the church who rejected your son did not speak for God, for God is love!
I see you have your blinders fully in place.
I pray you come to a better understanding of love, empathy, and compassion. Thank you so much for your honesty and compassion. I have shared your article with a number of friends, including a priest whose gay daughter has recently married, with her blessing. If the church worldwide spent as much energy on addressing real issues such as poverty, war, domestic violence, abuse of women and children, pollution, corruption, drug addiction etc , as it does on the making gays feel unloved, we would see huge growth in those coming to know the love of Jesus.
All strength to you and your family from South Africa where, at least constitutionally, we protect the rights of gay folk, although we have a long way to go in practice. While Mennonites have seen the judgemental side of shunning and shaming in the past, it is clear the church has allowed the pendulum to swing too far to the other side, right along with the ultra PC nature of our society.
No longer is sin treated as sin. Where does it stop?
When do we acknowledge the need for repentance? Living a holy, Godly life does not come natural to us! My husband and I left the Mennonite church 20 years ago because we saw this on the horizon. Thank you Chester and Sarah Jane for your courage, wisdom, and deep love for the church and her Lord. May the grace and peace of God be with you. The comments reveal efforts to characterize Rev.
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As we honor Rev. Wenger with our words, let us also pay close attention to his. Instead, Rev. Wenger is speaking the language of the Bible into the brokenness of the world. Obviously, Rev. Wenger is asking the Mennonite church to make changes. But he does so within the discourse of the Bible, not the discourse of the empire.
As we laud Rev. Wenger, let us also pay attention to what he says. Thank you for this beautiful, graceful letter filled with the wisdom of one who has spent 96 years on this earth with an open mind, heart and soul.
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May our vision come from eyes wide open to see all who have been created in this colorful, complicated and wonderful world. The story of a father seeking out his already messed up and lost son which after finding him brought him in, clean him up and dressed him up in royal attires. A doctor is useless without sick people so the son of God came to save the lost. The contradiction I found these days has to do with the church loosing sight of her purpose on earth — Jesus was friend of sinners, He made room for them not their way of lives.
In other words, He will show them love, address the issue of sin and get them converted from their perverted path. While I do not hate any homosexual person, the scripture is abundantly clear that it is ungodly Romans1: 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Kenny, thank you for quoting from Romans 1, which provides an excellent example of biblical text that refers to same-sex relations, but in the context of wanton abandonment of God and adherence to a hedonistic, evil lifestyle…not a context of love between two people.